Int Braz J Urol, 2012. I’ve been on testosterone replacement therapy for about a year and a half. Symptom scores improved significantly among clomid treated patients; the average pre-treatment ADAM score was 4.9 vs. 2.1 at follow up. blood lipids, lipoproteins, glucose, fat mass, libido, psychological symptoms etc etc. I know that feeling of wanting a little one. Guay, A.T., et al., Clomiphene increases free testosterone levels in men with both secondary hypogonadism and erectile dysfunction: who does and does not benefit? Wait, what fuse? % Free: 2.76% Taylor, F. and L. Levine, Clomiphene citrate and testosterone gel replacement therapy for male hypogonadism: efficacy and treatment cost. It was concluded that doses of HCG that ware far lower than those typically used clinically (1,000â2,000 IU SC three times weekly) increased ITT concentrations in a dose-dependent manner in normal men with experimental gonadotropin deficiency.. Supposedly his numbers should go back up, but how long that takes varies. 365 deadlift (fuck me, I really need to deadlift more) Oral CC has been shown, in doses of 25 mg per day or 50 mg every other day for up to 19 months, to be safe and effective in the treatment of testosterone deficiency (aka hypogonadims) and infertility in men. I am just amazed that the Doctors that are accessible to us on the regular insurance plans and specialize in this area are so clueless. The main goal of therapy is to reestablish normal testosterone levels. Testosterone replacement therapy is gaining wider use, but there are potential health risks. I'm not short though, sorry too easy. Carruthers, M., The paradox dividing testosterone deficiency symptoms and androgen assays: a closer look at the cellular and molecular mechanisms of androgen action. How to get off testosterone replacement therapy…. Too many risks, constant bloodwork, 95% don't do that when they are "cruising." Tan, R.S. We just passed the 3 month mark, which was the minimal amount of time to regenerate but no luck. I don't think this is a solution for me as it isn't really going to help my low testosterone issues, and my sperm counts were great without Clomid. You’ll get there buddy. Sent from my SM-G925W8 using Tapatalk There are several reasons for this, including (but not limited to): 125 Test E / wk. It is an oft-prescribed TRT treatment for young men that want to maintain fertility. You dont mean to sound like an ass huh. TRT isn't blasting/crusing Mr., bloodworks for sure, I haven't mentioned it cause it should always be a must! Averbeck, Twenty-five milligrams of clomiphene citrate presents positive effect on treatment of male testosterone deficiency – a prospective study.  The husband was a bodybuilder who admitted to have used the anabolic steroids testosterone cypionate, methandrostenolone, oxandrolone, testosterone propionate, oxymetholone, nandrolone decanoate, and methenolone enanthate. Testosterone therapy requires regular monitoring of testosterone levels as levels are constantly changing in the body and too much testosterone can lead … Results: The wifey and I decided it’s time to have kids, but after 6 months of ovulation tracking and trying, no baby. 5(4): p. 998-1012. Fertil Steril, 2003. 5. Depending on how much and how long you used, simply quitting may be enough to restore fertility. I hope you the best. If u run "only" cycles regulary, either TRT-HMG-HCG , or TRT-HCG (NO CLOMID, absolutely unnecesary). Going off and pray that following stack works: A better model for TTh related infertility might be to study HCG intervention outcomes after anabolic steroid use in men without background pituitary or testicular abnormalities. Is there a way to stop using without suffering massive consequences? Now I had been slacking off due to COVID and lack of access to a gym before I got off TRT, and have continued to slack through my PCT, but I’m getting back into it. J Urol, 2013. This rise was less than that in free testosterone (221% +/- 18%), which was in turn less than the rise in the non-SHBG-bound fraction (255% +/- 19%). Hmmmm well take a pic with your shirt off cause i need a laugh today. Oopps i didnt mean to be an ass. Tenover, J.S. Kettel, and S.S. Today, Monica is sharing her solid experience by doing dietary consultations and writing about topics related to bodybuilding, fitness, health and anti-aging. It sucks to think about, but may be the cards I was dealt. 195 strict press. 50 Proviron ed (not necessary but it helps against the "numb" feeling u get on your dick from the HCG and it lowers your shbg which u should check regulary like all other values). I hope you can fulfill your dreams. Moskovic, D.J., et al., Clomiphene citrate is safe and effective for long-term management of hypogonadism. I’ll be keeping aromasin on hand in case my e2 starts creeping up, as I am e2 sensitive. Advice for bringing sperm count back to normal after TRT - posted in Male Factor: In short: Would like to start a family, but diagnosed azoospermic after being on Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) for about 10 years. If u've used them the success is also very high! The goal is to see how I feel on it and while maintaining my fertility. [19-21] Therefore it is critical to go to a doctor who is well versed in the area, and who regularly have patients do blood work. The tentative plan going forward by my doctor is to continue 50mg clomid ED and 500iu hcg eod for the foreseeable future, pending another sperm analysis in January. Due my husband’s job, he is mostly out of station and it becomes difficult for us to coordinate during my fertility day. Short fuse. 17. and W.J. . But my mental state was off. 95(8): p. 3806-13. And most of the time it ends in a success story. 79 Suppl 3: p. 1659-61. Hey all, Just want to shed some light and give some information to those that may be young and jumped the gun on TRT (my case), or those who may just be considering coming off of TRT/HRT. The patient received twice-weekly injections of 10,000 IU of HCG and daily injections of 75 IU of HMG (menopausal gonadotropins) for 3 months. Menon, D.K., Successful treatment of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia with human chorionic gonadotropin and human menopausal gonadotropin. Are There Steroids In Your Protein Powder? Only if the endo. 305 Bench Da Ros, C.T. This is promising numbers so far and I plan to have more blood work done soon to check the results of my PCT. In one study of 36 legitimately hypogonadal men (27 to 60 years old), 25 mg. of Clomid, taken daily for 4 to 6 weeks (until their first follow-up visit), increased testosterone levels by 146%. J Androl, 1991. In the T enanthate/placebo group, LH and FSH were profoundly suppressed to 5% and 3% of baseline, respectively, and ITT was suppressed by 94%. Bremner, The effects of normal aging on the response of the pituitary-gonadal axis to chronic clomiphene administration in men. Knowing how... Hi Monica, I am 56 and live in the UK. A cruise is a self prescribed protocol for those who care little about their long term health and are to lazy, or addicted, to undergo PCT. Maybe after years...but I dont think so. Not run around. Hmmmm well take a pic with your shirt off cause i need a laugh today. Amd without knowing where your levels were to begin with for estro and test makes it even more stupid, you can't possibly know how to monitor yourself if you don't have a starting point. Which, for me I didnt realize what the fuck was really going on in life until most of it had passed. I feel stuck between a rock and hard place because the only reason I want to come off is to protect my fertility and be able to have kids but I wont want that until my late 20s. "everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face". 210lb 80(12): p. 3546-52. The good news is that there are effective options for men who are concerned about their fertility. You’ll enjoy being a father. It should also be noted that the efficacy of CC treatment in raising T levels and improving symptoms might be reduced in older men over 65 years of age (due to impairment of testicular function)  and in men with diabetes, hypertension, coronary artery disease, and multiple medication use.. When I spoke with the Doctor about coming off he gave me HCG about one week before we stopped my weekly injections of testosterone. Now we will co-opt, so that I can get pregnant. Of the men 19 were treated with injectable testosterone and 7 were treated with transdermal gel. No, wrong, not too high yes but also not too low, if your level is +15 or even +20 over the reference but u feel good and have libido, all is fine! and D. Vasudevan, Use of clomiphene citrate to reverse premature andropause secondary to steroid abuse. Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT) and Fertility â how to get the best of both worlds - part 1. The problem will be trying to get it up and actually having interest lol. http://www.brinkzone.com/mens-health/testosterone-replacement-therapy-trt-and-fertility-how-to-get-the-best-of-both-worlds-part-1, The Science Of Bomb Proof Coffee/AlphaJoe Coffee, Effects of Testosterone Administration for 3 Years on Subclinical Atherosclerosis Progression in Older Men. Regards, Gary. Time to get off testosterone and bring it back! These results demonstrate that relatively low dose hCG maintains ITT within the normal range in healthy men with gonadotropin suppression due to T supplementation. 455 squat A married couple with primary sub-fertility secondary to anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia that was persistent despite 1 year of cessation from steroid use. Therefore, I’m planning on using HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) regularly (as correctly instructed in the TRT MANual) which has shown to improve fertility in men. 63(6): p. 1200-3. Thanks for the well wishes, I’ll be sure to keep y’all updated. 2(5): p. 716-21. 7(1 Pt 1): p. 269-76. 25mg eod took me into the 400s. The unit of the measure tells if it is free or total T. Great article. 500 HCG e2d 4-5 100mg clomid+40mg nolva split am/pm, 6.25mg aromasin ED, and 500iu HCG EOD 2. She works a dietary consultant, health journalist and writer for. ive seen a study that 500iu a week put guys into normal test level range) to get your nuts back working, however i wouldnt consider that part of a pct program. Their collective testosterone to estrogen ratio improved by about 61%, as well. Blood values were collected 1â2 months after treatment initiation and semi-annually thereafter.  The pituitary thereby sees less estrogen and makes more LH due to removal of negative feedback inhibition. 15(3): p. 156-65. She has completed one semester at the PhD-program âExercise, Nutrition and Preventive Healthâ at Baylor University Texas, at the department of Health Human Performance and Recreation, and worked as an ISSA certified personal trainer. 95% don't do that when they are "cruising.". [8-14] At a dose of 100 mg/day for 2 months, clomid has also been shown to successfully reverse testosterone deficiency symptoms, restore testosterone levels, LH surges and the hypothlamic-pituitary-gonadal axis in a 30 year old male patient whose axis was previously shut off with multiple anabolic steroid abuse. Waaaaay off. The importance of blood work cannot be overstated. The fertility specialist that prescribed the clomid and hcg has literally 0 interest in restarting my HPTA and is solely interested in sperm count. It’s my understanding that keeping e2 levels down is important, since high e2 could cause pct failure. Turek, P.J., et al., The reversibility of anabolic steroid-induced azoospermia. Your doctor would likely be willing to prescribe for fertility if he knows that you are going off of TRT. 10. I am guessing that we put to much stress into it. Prediabetes is associated with an increased risk of testosterone deficiency, independent of obesity and metabolic syndrome. Cycle --> TRT or OFF --> FERTILITY PROTOCOL. 3) lack of time to stay on top recent research findings, Greetings from Australia, to Will and Monica. No differences in semen parameters were observed during greater than 1 year of followup. The ITT levels increased in a dose-dependent manner, with very low-dose HCG administration Moreover, blood levels of HCG were significantly correlated with both ITT and blood testosterone levels. Crabbe, P., et al., Part of the interindividual variation in serum testosterone levels in healthy men reflects differences in androgen sensitivity and feedback set point: contribution of the androgen receptor polyglutamine tract polymorphism. Thank you for the good wishes, Just remmeber its in gods hands. But you can send me an email and I'll get back to you soon. Could've always been low bro, its the cards some of us are dealt... either genetically, injury during youth, medications prescribed during our youth... first attempt at a child? This is a question I get asked at least twice a week by men who have been put on TRT and are seriously regretting it.. And now I have what appears to be a definitive answer from a long time site visitor named Brad who was on the juice for nearly 10 months…. 22(10): p. 1269-75. When using HCG or clomid, it is important to do regular blood work and check all T fractions in order to monitor treatment efficacy. Hey Will, great job done in choosing someone of this calibre to present information in their field. Find out what unit: ng/mL or pg/mL 110(4): p. 573-8. The results (I’ll get around to editing and uploading them later) Increased LH levels in turn stimulate the Leydig cells in the testis to synthesize more testosterone. Both too low and too high T levels (like any other physiological parameter) are deleterious. look forward to reading more of your articles. 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